
Roman Malo, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Clinical Psychology (Maître de conférences) — Nantes Université
In brief: Roman Malo is a clinician-researcher with a profile that is rare in the French-speaking landscape: a clinical psychologist, a doctor of clinical psychology, trained in human-computer interaction (University of Würzburg), a specialist in therapeutic virtual reality and in ecological measures of psychological processes. His dual competence — clinical and technical — makes him a privileged interlocutor for thinking about the conditions under which AI research data can genuinely inform practice.
Profile
Institution: Nantes Université — Department of Psychology
Laboratory: LPPL — Laboratoire de Psychologie des Pays de la Loire (EA 4638)
Education: Ph.D. in clinical psychology (Nantes Université, 2023), supervised by D. Acier, Y. Prié and S. Bulteau. Thesis: Psychological flexibility, psychopathology and virtual reality: from subjective measurement to the possibility of objective measurement of transdiagnostic processes.
Complementary training in Human-Computer Systems (Julius-Maximilians-Universität Würzburg) — cognitive ergonomics, human-machine interaction, interface design.
Clinical practice: Independent clinical psychologist, specialist in mental preparation and performance (Strength Strategy, since 2021). Clinical experience in individual and group psychotherapy, psychological assessments, therapeutic mediations.
A rare profile: dual clinical-technical competence
What sets Roman Malo apart in the academic landscape is the combination of two usually siloed trainings:
Clinical side
Ph.D. in clinical psychology, practice as a clinical psychologist, expertise in psychopathology, psychodynamic and phenomenological approaches. Training in the explicitation interview (micro-phenomenology).
Technical side
Training in human-machine systems (Würzburg), design of virtual reality environments, behavioral measures, ecological experimental design, research engineering (Polytech Nantes).
This dual competence allows him to evaluate not only what technological devices do to patients, but how the conditions under which these devices are evaluated reflect — or fail to reflect — clinical reality.
Research areas
Roman Malo’s work unfolds at the intersection of four axes that converge toward a fundamental question: how do you measure psychological reality as it is lived, and not as the laboratory reconstructs it.
Data ecology and ecological validity
A central and cross-cutting axis. Malo’s thesis demonstrates that classic measures of psychological flexibility (self-report questionnaires) capture only a fraction of what the patient actually lives. His work proposes mixed ecological measures — combining self-report, behavioral data and immersive environments simulating everyday-life situations — to evaluate psychological processes in context, not in the abstract. This methodological requirement directly interrogates the value of AI studies in mental health that rely on clinical vignettes or Prolific samples.
Therapeutic virtual reality
Design of ecological VR environments for research and clinical practice. His environments are not abstract simulations but reconstructions of everyday-life situations designed to provoke and observe psychological processes in action — where self-report questionnaires fail. He supervises a thesis on social virtual reality in the therapeutic relationship in mental health (Pauline Reuze, since 2025).
Transdiagnostic process models
His work belongs to the contemporary transdiagnostic current (RDoC, HiTOP, p-factor): rather than studying discrete pathologies, he is interested in the underlying psychological processes — notably psychological flexibility, which he conceptualizes at the intersection of clinical work, neuropsychology and phenomenology. His network models offer a dimensional view of psychopathology.
Generative AI and psychotherapy
A rapidly expanding axis since 2025. Roman Malo co-supervises a thesis on the therapeutic alliance and autonomous agents (co-supervised in cognitive psychology and computer science), with a central question: what is there potentially human in AI interactions? What quality of perceived empathy can be objectified? He also supervises a master’s dissertation on the therapeutic pathway modified by AI devices, defending an original hypothesis: conversational AI could produce a polarization of consultations (subclinical cases self-regulating with AI, more complex cases being directed more quickly toward professional care).
His conceptual reading of AI in mental health revolves around several operative notions: therapeutic friction (why the patient disengages when the effort is misplaced), the epistemological double standard (AI is judged by standards that the reference human practice does not itself meet), the fifth narcissistic wound (after Galileo, Darwin, Freud and sociology), and the pedagogical prosthesis (training students’ reflexivity rather than penalizing cheating). His lecture “From the Couch to the Avatar” (Du divan à l’avatar) (2025) laid the groundwork for this analysis, extended in a long testimony collected in May 2026 for IA et Psychothérapie, currently being reviewed by Roman before publication.
Focus: data ecology, a central methodological issue
“Data ecology” designates, in Malo’s work, the requirement that research data be collected under conditions that reflect the reality of the phenomena studied. This requirement runs through all his work and raises a question that the field of AI in mental health largely avoids.
Self-report questionnaires are not enough
His thesis demonstrates that classic self-reported measures do not capture experience as it is lived. He proposes mixed measures (subjective + behavioral) in an ecological environment.
The laboratory reconstructs, it does not reproduce
The VR environments he designs simulate everyday-life situations precisely because classic experimental conditions fail to provoke psychological processes as they manifest in a real context.
A direct consequence for AI in mental health
If self-reported measures are insufficient to evaluate the psychological flexibility of a patient in front of you, what are they worth for evaluating the performance of a therapeutic chatbot tested on Prolific participants who have no disorder?
It is this methodological expertise that makes Malo’s work particularly relevant for evaluating the AI literature in mental health — not as a technophobe, but as a demand for ecological rigor.
What led him to AI in psychotherapy
Roman’s interest in AI is neither a fad nor a technophile pose. It is part of a long inquiry into what emerges from an encounter between a subject and a device: video games in adolescence, virtual reality during his thesis, conversational AI today. One and the same question structures this triptych: how does something like a consciousness emerge in contact with a device?
“What interested me in psychology was trying to understand how consciousness emerges, the problem of consciousness, which for me is always a fascinating subject. […] I did little trial-and-error experiments on ChatGPT and Claude, like many people. I tried to push the technology quite far: I went from the cooking recipe to really pushing a line of reasoning, to see what happened. I found it fascinating.”
This experimental stance leads him to reject from the outset two figures he frequently encounters among his colleagues: technophile fascination that projects the divine onto the tool, and defensive rejection that reduces it to “an improved calculator.” For Roman, conversational AI is radically new: it raises fundamental anthropological questions about agency, autonomy, consciousness and solitude that neither classic computer science nor academic psychology are prepared to address alone.
A long testimony collected in May 2026 for this site develops these analyses as well as his reading of AI in university teaching, his hypothesis of the polarization of consultations, and his use of AI as a pedagogical prosthesis. This document is currently being reviewed by Roman before publication.
Why it is relevant for clinicians
Roman Malo holds a singular position in the French-speaking landscape of researchers working at the intersection of clinical work and technology. His profile matters to practitioners for four reasons.
- Critical reading of AI research: his competence in data ecology provides concrete tools to evaluate whether a study on a therapeutic chatbot says something about your practice — or only about laboratory conditions.
- A bridge between technology and clinical work: trained at once in clinical psychology, human-machine interaction and phenomenology, he thinks about technological devices from the patient’s experience — not from engineer’s metrics.
- A transdiagnostic approach: his process models (psychological flexibility, network models) apply across the board — not limited to a specific disorder. This is valuable for a non-reductive evaluation of AI in psychotherapy.
- Micro-phenomenology: his use of the explicitation interview to capture lived experience in virtual reality offers a methodological model for studying patients’ experience with chatbots — beyond simple satisfaction scoring.
Key publications
Psychological Flexibility: Toward a Better Understanding of a Key Concept (Trends in Psychology, 2024)
A reference article proposing a reconceptualization of psychological flexibility at the intersection of clinical work, cognition and phenomenology. Co-authored with D. Acier and S. Bulteau.
DOIReaching Conceptual Stability by Re-articulating Empirical and Theoretical Work on Affordances (Frontiers in Psychology, 2024)
Theoretical work on affordances (Gibson) — a key concept for thinking about what digital interfaces allow and constrain in the therapeutic interaction. Co-authored with Y. Prié.
DOIUsing Micro-phenomenological Interviews To Collect And Compare Lived Experiences In VR (IHM ‘24, ACM)
An innovative methodology: use of the explicitation interview to capture lived experience in virtual reality. A methodological model transposable to the study of patient-chatbot interactions. Co-authored with J.-P. Rivière, L. Vinet and Y. Prié.
DOIAn “Orthorexic Society”: The Role of Psychological Flexibility (New Ideas in Psychology, 2026)
Application of psychological-flexibility models to contemporary social pressures. An illustration of the transdiagnostic process approach. Co-authored with C. Ribadeau Dumas, D. Rommel and A. Congard.
DOIImmersive Prevention Centers for Mental Health: Secondary and Tertiary Prevention in the Metaverse (EMRN Conference, 2025)
A forward-looking vision: immersive prevention centers for mental health, crossing AI and virtual reality. Co-authored with A. Widmer, S. Bulteau, J.-P. Rivière and Y. Prié.
Doctoral thesis: Psychological flexibility, psychopathology and virtual reality (Nantes Université, 2023)
A founding work articulating subjective and objective measurement of transdiagnostic processes. Design of ecological VR environments and implementation of mixed measures.
Doctoral supervision
The effects of social virtual reality in the therapeutic relationship in mental health
Doctoral candidate: Pauline Reuze
Supervision: Frédérique Robin, Yannick Prié
Doctoral school: ECLIS (Nantes Université)
Enrollment: September 2025
A thesis that directly explores the technological mediation of the therapeutic relationship — an axis that intersects the questions raised by conversational AI.
Related concepts on this site
Roman Malo’s work directly intersects several concepts documented in our resources:
Epistemic double standard
AI in mental health is systematically evaluated by standards that the reference human practice does not itself meet. Roman Malo formulated this double standard intuitively as early as 2025 in his work and teaching, before Abu Ghanem & Greenbaum (2026) offered a regulatory theorization in The American Journal of Bioethics — identifying two central biases: idealized comparator bias and perfection asymmetry bias.
Ecological Momentary Assessment (EMA)
EMA captures experiences in real time, in the patient’s daily life. It is exactly the logic Malo transposes to virtual reality: evaluating processes within experience, not after the fact.
Digital phenotyping
The use of digital behavioral data to characterize psychological states. Malo’s behavioral VR measures belong to this approach, with an additional requirement of ecology.
Perspectives: toward the analysis of real conversations
Our series on the ecological validity of AI studies in mental health demonstrates that the vast majority of published research relies on artificial data (clinical vignettes, crowdsourcing participants, binary scoring).
Roman Malo brings precisely what this field lacks: expertise in ecological measures, competence in human-machine interaction, and a phenomenological approach to lived experience. Together, we are preparing a series of articles devoted to the analysis of real conversations between patients and chatbots/LLMs — something the literature does not yet do.
The goal: to offer tools for the clinical reading of patient-AI interactions anchored in the reality of therapeutic processes, not in benchmark metrics.
Complementary theoretical frame
Malo’s work gains from being read in dialogue with other frameworks.
James J. Gibson — Affordances
Malo’s work on affordances (Frontiers in Psychology, 2024) re-articulates the Gibsonian concept to think about what digital interfaces and chatbots invite us to do or prevent. An essential reading grid for analyzing the patient-AI interaction.
Steven Hayes — Psychological flexibility (ACT)
Hayes’s model (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) is Malo’s starting point, which he enriches with contributions from neuropsychology, cognition and phenomenology to make it a process concept measurable in an ecological context.
Pierre Vermersch — The explicitation interview
Vermersch’s micro-phenomenology is the methodological tool Malo deploys to capture lived experience in VR. Transposable to the study of patient experience with therapeutic chatbots.
Further reading
Google Scholar: Roman Malo’s profile — indexed publications
- LinkedIn:Professional profile
Our Ecological Validity series: The gap between the lab and the practice — editorial op-ed
Contact: roman.malo@univ-nantes.fr — Nantes Université
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Profile updated: May 2026